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Traveller-digest      Sunday, November 7 1999      Volume 1999 : Number 1324<BR>
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The following topics are covered in this digest:<BR>
<BR>
Re: Wild Blue Claims<BR>
Re: Solomani Rim data and CT LBB errata<BR>
Re: Wild Blue Claims<BR>
Re: Wild Blue Claims<BR>
[none]<BR>
[OT] D&D<BR>
Re: Marc Miller's new website for Traveller<BR>
Archaeology in the Imperium (was Re: Wild Blue Claims)<BR>
Re: politics <BR>
Re: politics <BR>
How do fuel tanks work?<BR>
Re Imperial Constitutional Government<BR>
Re: How do fuel tanks work?<BR>
Re: politics<BR>
Re: Fiery<BR>
Re: Archaeology in the Imperium (was Re: Wild Blue Claims)<BR>
[OT] Software Request<BR>
Re: [OT] Software Request<BR>
Re : Food Sources for Space Colonies<BR>
Re: Wild Blue Claims<BR>
Academic Adventure Seeds<BR>
Re: ignorance of the law and secret laws<BR>
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Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 16:37:40 -0500<BR>
From: "Chris Seamans" <semo@pil.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Wild Blue Claims<BR>
<BR>
From: Sethkimmel@aol.com <Sethkimmel@aol.com><BR>
<BR>
<BR>
>I HATE the whole social history movement. While I think it's very important<BR>
>to study the "little man/woman" to get the whole picture of history, I<BR>
reject<BR>
>the notion that one shouldn't study the movers and shakers (i.e., the<BR>
rulers,<BR>
>leaders, etc.). This is just 1960s backlash against the "establishment".<BR>
The<BR>
>problem with social history, is that until democracy, the little man/woman<BR>
>didn't DO a whole hell of a lot. It's more interesting to study the<BR>
leaders.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
It's hardly a 1960s backlash against the establishment. The very concept of<BR>
social history has roots that reach back to folks like Marx. Although I<BR>
personally think that Marx simplified things too much, his idea that history<BR>
could be viewed from the bottom up as opposed to the top down was undeniably<BR>
revolutionary. The tradition grew and continued from the 19th century on. It<BR>
gained steam later with interesting permutations that developed with the<BR>
growth and / or birth of such disciplines as folklore, sociology,<BR>
anthropology, linguistics and the other social sciences.<BR>
<BR>
Academic movements, like artistic movements, literary movements and<BR>
political movements, usually don't appear overnight. It's not like everybody<BR>
in the late 60s just said, "Hey let's be anti-establishment and muck around<BR>
with history!" It's been a slow and steady progression.<BR>
<BR>
>Ob Trav: Imagine studying the 3I by studying how the lives of groat farmers<BR>
>are effected by the civil wars, and NOT studying the barracks emperors.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
I can easily imagine it, especially in the light that canonically the social<BR>
sciences have progressed to the astonishing complexity of "psycho-history."<BR>
Do you think that they progressed to that point by studying the tiny group<BR>
of Mules and shakers... um... pardon me, movers and shakers who cast long<BR>
shadows on history? Of course not.<BR>
<BR>
The truth of the matter is that studying the groat farmers gives a much<BR>
clearer picture of history. It provides context which cannot be attained by<BR>
seeing who happened to have claim to the Iridium Throne on a given day<BR>
during the period of the Barracks Emperors.<BR>
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Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 21:35:06 +0000 (GMT)<BR>
From: Phil Kitching <postmark.design@btinternet.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Solomani Rim data and CT LBB errata<BR>
<BR>
On 05 Nov, Brandon Cope <copeab@hotmail.com> wrote:<BR>
> >From: JFZeigler@aol.com<BR>
> >It's pretty clear that the rule as given in the TB main text is an<BR>
> >erratum.<BR>
<BR>
> Good to know I've been doing it the wrong way for 17 years ... guess<BR>
> there isn't much point to changing now ...<BR>
> A generous and sadistic GM,<BR>
<BR>
That makes me feel better. It's only taken me 15 years to realise<BR>
my mistake.<BR>
<BR>
:-)<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
Phil Kitching<BR>
- - --<BR>
Postmark Design Bureau, Emerging Technology Division<BR>
"Microwaving half-baked ideas from across the galaxy."<BR>
http://www.btinternet.com/~salvo/traveller/deckplans/<BR>
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Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 16:53:27 -0500<BR>
From: "Chris Seamans" <semo@pil.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Wild Blue Claims<BR>
<BR>
From: Bruce Johnson <johnson@Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU><BR>
<BR>
<BR>
>ObTrav. I suspect that the study of history in the 3I will be considerably<BR>
>different, due to institutions such as the AAB, and the generally high<BR>
>tech level of the Imperium and it's predecessors, leading to much better<BR>
>record preservation.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
High technology does not always bring with it better record preservation.<BR>
One of the problems that people are starting to focus on is the lack of<BR>
permanence of computer records. I don't mean that they degrade, I mean that<BR>
they just simply disappear. I would one day like to write a popular history<BR>
of the BBS world, and I've discovered in doing so that... well... large<BR>
chunks of that history are just gone. No archeologist is ever going to dig<BR>
this stuff up. For the most part, roughly twenty years of the history of<BR>
computer telecommunications happen to be lost. Forever.<BR>
<BR>
The problem isn't the method of recording, the problem is that people just<BR>
don't realize that they're sitting on tomorrow's history. Then again...<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
>For instance, imagine what the data warehouse of a megacorp like Sharushid<BR>
>contains within it... the purchasing patterns and intimate detail on the<BR>
>lives of trillions and trillions of customers reaching back millenia...<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
...the Vilani may be a little bit different in that respect. ;)<BR>
<BR>
They might *always* realize that they're sitting on top of history at all<BR>
times, and go to great lengths to preserve it. ;)<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 16:58:57 EST<BR>
From: Sethkimmel@aol.com<BR>
Subject: Re: Wild Blue Claims<BR>
<BR>
In a message dated 11/7/99 11:43:31 AM Pacific Standard Time, <BR>
johnson@Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU writes:<BR>
<BR>
<< Sorry to burst your bubble there, but the military history of the Civil<BR>
 War is predominantly of interest to military historians. As iomportant as<BR>
 the actions of Grant, Sherman, Lee, Jackson et. al. were, they were of<BR>
 secondary importance to the overall picture.<BR>
 <BR>
 The _political_ history of the Civil War is _why_ we have a military<BR>
 history of the Civil War and is of far more relevance, particularly in<BR>
 these days of the resurgence of 'states rights'...>><BR>
<BR>
You're right of course; I've read Clauswitz. The point here I was trying to <BR>
make is the purposeful elimination of a part of ACW history that the <BR>
professor found unimportant/uninteresting. I disagree with her decision.<BR>
<BR>
<<Sherman, for example, is far better remembered for his 'march to the sea'<BR>
in social and political terms than in military ones. While his campaign<BR>
did hasten the wars end, to this day, over a hundred and thirty years<BR>
later, he is reviled in parts of this country as a genocidal monster,<BR>
hardly the picture we get in our history books as children. Whihc is more<BR>
important in it's impact on human society?>><BR>
<BR>
You forgot that he was also a racist. The point I was trying to make was that <BR>
the Savannah campaign (what I call the march to the sea) wasn't mentioned at <BR>
all either. This one surprised me even more, as the social historians could <BR>
have studied the effects on the people, but it's not PC to feel sorry for <BR>
Confederates (even I as a Yankee would be interested...).<BR>
<BR>
<<The second problem is your assumption that assignments in academic<BR>
departments have any relationship to what the professors specialty or<BR>
training is...That professor probably had little choice over her subject<BR>
matter...>><BR>
<BR>
Also true; especially at the lower division level, HOWEVER the professors DO <BR>
have leeway in HOW they teach it. They pick the text, and they design the <BR>
syllabus.<BR>
<BR>
<<Finally, aside from some constant whiners like George Will, who won't be<BR>
satisfied until college educations are limited to upper-class white males,<BR>
about upper-class white males like himself again, the 'PC' fad has been<BR>
waning on most campuses for some time.>><BR>
<BR>
Maybe in the "hard sciences", but NOT in the social sciences. It's the last <BR>
stand of the Marxists (and the colleges of education)...<BR>
<BR>
<<The problem with studying the 'movers and shakers' is that we tend to<BR>
mostly have records written either by them, or by people with axes to<BR>
grind against them, and either is unlikely to be very reflective of<BR>
reality. However, historical accounts of those unimportant little people<BR>
are more likely to be factual, precisely because they didn't count, and no<BR>
one risked prison or worse writing some version of the truth.<BR>
<BR>
From the impact on the lives on the little people we get a better idea of<BR>
what the M&S'es were _really_ doing...and arguably studying the history of<BR>
99.999% of humankind could be considered more important that studying that<BR>
0.001% who are listed as important in the records they wrote themselves...>><BR>
<BR>
True; BUT you need to study a cross-section of all of society. The social <BR>
historians are very heavily indoctrinated by modern left wing politics. They <BR>
object to studying ANY western leaders, because obviously to them by being <BR>
white males, they have to be automatically wrong regardless of the facts <BR>
either way. This is plain narrow-mindedness...This is what I object to. I <BR>
have no problem studying the "small" people as well as leaders to cooberate <BR>
data on a subject, but they knocked the pendulum all the way to the other <BR>
side.<BR>
<BR>
<<Seen from that perspective, the Civil War was some interesting news that<BR>
happened on the trivid, or to your neighbor Eneri down the road, whose<BR>
nephew was in the Navy and lost during a battle.<BR>
<BR>
Canonically, about _all_ the the Civil War affected was whose butt was in<BR>
the the Iridium Throne, and whose fleets were in battle. To the people<BR>
involved it was a Big Thing, but to the greater mass of the Imperium, it<BR>
wasn't.>><BR>
<BR>
This is my fault. I should have used a more direct model, like the rebellion, <BR>
or on a smaller scope, the effect on Imperial citizens in the middle of a war <BR>
zone...<BR>
<BR>
I suggest we move this thread to offlist....<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 12:49:02 -0900<BR>
From: "William F. Hostman" <aramis@gci.net><BR>
Subject: [none]<BR>
<BR>
>At 09:12 PM 11/5/99 -0500, Sword Worlder wrote:<BR>
>>I asked Marc and he said it was alright to begin publicizing the new site.<BR>
>>He has quite a bit of the work completed and I'm sure he would welcome<BR>
>>feedback on what he is doing.  I for one would be interested to hear the<BR>
>>feedback and discussion happen right here on the TML, unless you think that<BR>
>>would needlessly clog the list with on-topic posts ;-)<BR>
>><BR>
>>http://members.aol.com/Traveller<BR>
<BR>
site looks good in iCab, but is NOT comliant to the HTML rec's.<BR>
<BR>
William F. Hostman  |  "Smith & Wesson: THe original Point and Click<BR>
interface!"<BR>
Aramis 0602 C55A364-C S kk+ as+ hi+ dr+ va++(--) so+ zh++ vi+ da++ sy- ge-<BR>
533<BR>
Mailto:aramis@gci.net http://home.gci.net/~aramis mailto:wilh@alaska.com<BR>
ICQ:14640742          AIM:AKAramis	ARM 1.0: 3 R H++ P+<BR>
IMTU 1.0: tc tm++ tn- t4-- tt+ to- tg-- ru+ ge 3i+ c+ jt-() au+ st- ls<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 13:05:01 -0900<BR>
From: "William F. Hostman" <aramis@gci.net><BR>
Subject: [OT] D&D<BR>
<BR>
bruce replies to the roc:<BR>
> Am I correct in these assumptions or are<BR>
>> they a vocal minority?  Just asking ;^)<BR>
>><BR>
>> -- The Roc<BR>
>><BR>
><BR>
>Would be a not so vocal minority...everyone rags on D&D sometime, but<BR>
>lordy, it's what I cut my RPG'ing teeth on many years ago, and it<BR>
>definitely has a fond spot in my heart. I've played it longer than I've<BR>
>played traveller, and wouldn't turn down a _good_* game today.<BR>
<BR>
AD&D2, D&D Cyclopaedia, both are good sets of rules (if mechanically<BR>
dated)... and I've noticed a distinct preference amongst gamers in general<BR>
(at least in alaska) to play fantasy games... you can always scrape<BR>
together 5 or 6 D&D/AD&D players... it's hard to find people willing to do<BR>
serious sci-fi (as opposed to Hack and Slash Fantasy in space).<BR>
<BR>
re the list, havn't seen a lot of D&D/AD&D bashing... at least not recently.<BR>
I run a wide variety of games, CT/MT Traveller being my favorite setting...<BR>
but I'm currently anixious to see D&D3.<BR>
<BR>
William F. Hostman  |  "Smith & Wesson: THe original Point and Click<BR>
interface!"<BR>
Aramis 0602 C55A364-C S kk+ as+ hi+ dr+ va++(--) so+ zh++ vi+ da++ sy- ge-<BR>
533<BR>
Mailto:aramis@gci.net http://home.gci.net/~aramis mailto:wilh@alaska.com<BR>
ICQ:14640742          AIM:AKAramis	ARM 1.0: 3 R H++ P+<BR>
IMTU 1.0: tc tm++ tn- t4-- tt+ to- tg-- ru+ ge 3i+ c+ jt-() au+ st- ls<BR>
pi+() ta+ he+(-) kk+ as+ hi+ dr+ va++(--) so+ zh++ vi+ da++ sy- ge- pi+<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 17:30:16 -0700<BR>
From: "David J. Golden" <goldendj@pcisys.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Marc Miller's new website for Traveller<BR>
<BR>
At 02:19 PM 11/7/99 -0600, you wrote:<BR>
>Yes, there is a left column that contains a button bar, a comments<BR>
>entry area for what you want in T5, and a questionaire asking which<BR>
>of the Traveller versions (less GT) that you prefer.<BR>
><BR>
>Last I looked Classic Traveller was leading in the voting and it<BR>
>looked something like:<BR>
><BR>
>CT  60<BR>
>MT  15<BR>
>TNE 10<BR>
>T4   8<BR>
>T5   0<BR>
<BR>
Interesting ... I didn't even see a button for TNE last I was there,<BR>
and I *did* see one for GT!<BR>
<BR>
/The Heretic Famine, of the Four Horsemen of the Traveller Apocalypse/<BR>
<BR>
- -- Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of<BR>
   religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or<BR>
   abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the<BR>
   right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition<BR>
   the Government for a redress of grievances. <BR>
   -- Amendment I, US Constitution<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 17:58:17 -0500<BR>
From: Christopher Thrash <thrash@io.com><BR>
Subject: Archaeology in the Imperium (was Re: Wild Blue Claims)<BR>
<BR>
>Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 12:42:45 -0700 (MST)<BR>
>From: Bruce Johnson <johnson@Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU><BR>
>Subject: Re: Wild Blue Claims<BR>
><BR>
>ObTrav. I suspect that the study of history in the 3I will be considerably<BR>
>different, due to institutions such as the AAB, and the generally high<BR>
>tech level of the Imperium and it's predecessors, leading to much better<BR>
>record preservation.<BR>
><BR>
>For instance, imagine what the data warehouse of a megacorp like Sharushid<BR>
>contains within it... the purchasing patterns and intimate detail on the<BR>
>lives of trillions and trillions of customers reaching back millenia...<BR>
>That so much print, argument and importance is attached to the Barracks<BR>
>Emperors is a sign that the study in the 3I is skewed towards the M&S'es<BR>
>almost exclusively, the Dead White Males of the Imperium.<BR>
<BR>
Much of the data that is not actively distorted by vested interests will be<BR>
incomplete or inaccurate when viewed in retrospect, simply because the<BR>
people making the record _lived_ in their world, and made assumptions and<BR>
left out data that future researchers can't reconstruct. That's the reason<BR>
for the branch of anthropology called "Historical Archaeology", which seeks<BR>
to confirm or deny the available historical records with archaeological<BR>
evidence. HA often focuses on disenfranchised minorities, because they<BR>
leave so few written records.<BR>
<BR>
ObTrav: Because of the length of the historical record, most of the<BR>
archaeology in the Imperium would fall into the category of HA rather than<BR>
the pre-historic archaeology with which we are more familiar. If nothing<BR>
else, it would provide some archaeological expeditions with a rationale and<BR>
goal *other* than the done-to-death Ancients (cf. the Beltstrike module).<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 09:25:35 +1000<BR>
From: "Alan Bradley" <alanb@elf.brisnet.org.au><BR>
Subject: Re: politics <BR>
<BR>
> From: Rob Brady <BR>
> >  Of course. Only feudal technocracy genuinely maximizes the potential<BR>
> >for individual human development.<BR>
> ><BR>
> >   Except maybe those pesky dissidents...<BR>
> <BR>
> Ah Ha! But that's why we are developing truth machines, and a cadre of<BR>
> excellent psychologists who understand that those who cannot put the<BR>
> rights of others before themselves are suffering from intense egomania.<BR>
> (Or was it eggo-mania?)<BR>
<BR>
If you did not blind yourself to the powers of the mind, you would not need<BR>
machines to reveal the truth.<BR>
<BR>
Alanbradliashav<BR>
alanb@elf.brisnet.org.au<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 15:26:08 -0800<BR>
From: "Kiri Aradia Morgan" <tiamat@tsoft.com><BR>
Subject: Re: politics <BR>
<BR>
>> Ah Ha! But that's why we are developing truth machines, and a cadre of<BR>
excellent psychologists who understand that those who cannot put the rights<BR>
of others before themselves are suffering from intense egomania. (Or was it<BR>
eggo-mania?)<BR>
>><BR>
You wanna reprogram my brain just cause I won't let you steal my damn<BR>
waffle?  Leggo my Eggo, you bastich!<BR>
<BR>
>If you did not blind yourself to the powers of the mind, you would not need<BR>
machines to reveal the truth.<BR>
><BR>
The truth about this bastich's incredible self-aggrandizement could hardly<BR>
have been revealed without the help of this toaster here!  Now gimme my damn<BR>
waffle back!!!<BR>
<BR>
Kiri<BR>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<BR>
Kiri Aradia Morgan            93!              Thou Art God...<BR>
tiamat@tsoft.com<BR>
<BR>
"That wickedness weltering around inside of you, inside<BR>
of everyone, is sacred somewhere.  There's a deity out<BR>
there who digs it.  You can respect and love your darkest<BR>
side, disposing of only what is obsolete or impractical.<BR>
It's all about giving yourself permission."<BR>
                                                    -- Jack Darkhand<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 23:40:18 +0000<BR>
From: John Buston <John.Buston@tesco.net><BR>
Subject: How do fuel tanks work?<BR>
<BR>
As the fuel is used in a ships fuel tank, what goes in its place?<BR>
<BR>
If air is used then it would have to be generated, or air pressure would fall<BR>
dramatically. <BR>
<BR>
Vacuum would cause the remaining fuel to boil.<BR>
<BR>
What else?<BR>
<BR>
Is this addressed anywhere?<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 19:11:41 -0500<BR>
From: Jeff Zeitlin <jzeitlin@cyburban.com><BR>
Subject: Re Imperial Constitutional Government<BR>
<BR>
On Sun, 7 Nov 1999 16:36:06 -0500 (EST), SD Mooney<BR>
<dom@cybergoths.u-net.com> wrote:<BR>
<BR>
>At 5:09 -0500 5/11/99, "William F. Hostman" <aramis@gci.net> wrote:<BR>
>>I like this, and nothing in GDW-Canon contravenes this. IIRC, doesn;t M0<BR>
>>include some "Framing Documents"??<BR>
<BR>
>p83 Milieu 0<BR>
<BR>
>'The Warrant of Restoration' - effectively the text of the <BR>
>constitution for the Imperium. It is the terms under which Cleon <BR>
>restored  the Ziru Sirka and the Rule of Man to form the Third <BR>
>Imperium.<BR>
<BR>
>It was written by one of the TMLrs - can't remember who though -<BR>
<BR>
Guilty as charged.<BR>
<BR>
- --<BR>
Jeff Zeitlin<BR>
jzeitlin@cyburban.com<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 18:23:51 -0600<BR>
From: Black ICE <wombat@premier.net><BR>
Subject: Re: How do fuel tanks work?<BR>
<BR>
John Buston wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
> As the fuel is used in a ships fuel tank, what goes in its place?<BR>
<BR>
Baffling, isn't it?  ;-)<BR>
> <BR>
> If air is used then it would have to be generated, or air pressure would fall<BR>
> dramatically.<BR>
> <BR>
> Vacuum would cause the remaining fuel to boil.<BR>
> <BR>
> What else?<BR>
<BR>
Well, I would assume that fuel tankage is divided into a number of<BR>
bunkers, of different sizes.  This would allow one to drain individual<BR>
tanks (leaving only residual vapor within), without affecting<BR>
neighboring tanks.  This system also explains why battle damage only<BR>
destroys a percentage of fuel tankage (unless, of course, you score the<BR>
"Fuel Tanks Shattered" golden BB).<BR>
> <BR>
> Is this addressed anywhere?<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
AuricTech Shipyards Journeyman Gearhead<BR>
"Gold-Plated [tm] solutions for copper-plated problems!" (r)<BR>
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/9776<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 18:26:57 -0600<BR>
From: Black ICE <wombat@premier.net><BR>
Subject: Re: politics<BR>
<BR>
Rob Brady wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
<<snip>><BR>
> <BR>
> Ah Ha! But that's why we are developing truth machines, and a cadre of<BR>
> excellent psychologists who understand that those who cannot put the<BR>
> rights of others before themselves are suffering from intense egomania.<BR>
> (Or was it eggo-mania?)<BR>
<BR>
Neither; it's Legomania (ask Evil Stevie for details)....<BR>
<BR>
BTW, has anyone tried working out a simplified Travelleresque combat<BR>
game using Lego Space, ala "Evil Stevie's Lego Pirate Game"?<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
AuricTech Shipyards Journeyman Gearhead<BR>
"Gold-Plated [tm] solutions for copper-plated problems!" (r)<BR>
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/9776<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 10:12:03 +1000<BR>
From: david.d.jaques-watson@centrelink.gov.au<BR>
Subject: Re: Fiery<BR>
<BR>
Dear Jesse -<BR>
<BR>
Thanks for replying. You said:<BR>
>OK, this is the first TML message I've gotten in two days!....but then I<BR>
>noticed you cc'd me directly.  What's up with the list?<BR>
<BR>
I've had 12 messages arrive just over the weekend.<BR>
<BR>
>Go to my news site and look at the "Starports" teaser image that I posted.<BR>
<BR>
Looks great! Is the highport your design? It looks quite different from many of<BR>
your other images. So, is it *really* a BIG highport a long way away, or a small<BR>
one close up? C'mon, you can 'fess up!  ;-)  Seriously, is it to scale? Would a<BR>
close shot up near those spikes show heaps more detail? (small windows from the<BR>
texture map, etc?) I *assume* it will appear more times in the book - just a<BR>
pity they don't print them in colour. What we need is to get SJG to insert<BR>
colour plates like IG did - we'll just ditch Chris Foss in favour of Jesse<BR>
DeGraaf.  :-)<BR>
<BR>
>As for the Tender, I thought (and modelled it from plans) that it only<BR>
>carried TWO x-boats?<BR>
<BR>
Two Scout ships, 4 x-boats. It's a 1000t craft with a 4000t "cargo" bay. The<BR>
xboats are packed in nose-to-tail, like sardines (actually, the tender is<BR>
probably based on a sardine tin - the one with the roll-back lid!!).<BR>
<BR>
>>I want to see what the Xboat Tender's bay looks like with<BR>
>>4 Xboats on board. I believe there is a catwalk with railing<BR>
>>at the "top" of the docking bay - how about a pic looking "down"<BR>
>>over the edge? Position the camera in the roof + add<BR>
>>a couple of vacc-suited people leaning over the railing + grav-belted<BR>
>>vacc-suited person working on one of the 'boats + strategically placed<BR>
>>lighting + open bay doors + one 'boat docking = one cool shot!!!<BR>
><BR>
>Heck, the bay of the Tender as it is...Looks kinda' busy, with<BR>
>ribs, a rail-like thing, etc?  It's just a texture map :)<BR>
<BR>
...but did you like the composition I suggested? ;-)<BR>
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David "Hyphen" Jaques-Watson        Beowulf Down (Tavonni/Vilis/SM 1520)<BR>
http://www.tip.net.au/~davidjw                       davidjw@pcug.org.au<BR>
"I file things in historical order, with a hashing algorithm of gravity"<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 01:14:51 -0000<BR>
From: "Matthew Bond" <mgb@akira.swinternet.co.uk><BR>
Subject: Re: Archaeology in the Imperium (was Re: Wild Blue Claims)<BR>
<BR>
- -----Original Message-----<BR>
From: Christopher Thrash <thrash@io.com><BR>
To: traveller@lists.imagiconline.com <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com><BR>
Date: 07 November 1999 23:01<BR>
Subject: Archaeology in the Imperium (was Re: Wild Blue Claims)<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
>>Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 12:42:45 -0700 (MST)<BR>
>>From: Bruce Johnson <johnson@Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU><BR>
>>Subject: Re: Wild Blue Claims<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<snip><BR>
<BR>
>ObTrav: Because of the length of the historical record, most of the<BR>
>archaeology in the Imperium would fall into the category of HA rather than<BR>
>the pre-historic archaeology with which we are more familiar. If nothing<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Well, outside the US much of the archaeology is devoted to 'historic' (ie<BR>
literate) societies eg Egyptian, Mesopotamian, Greek, Roman, Saxon,<BR>
Medieval, Chinese, etc etc. Some parts of the world *do* have more than 500<BR>
years written records <g>. Hence, on this side of the pond, archaeology is a<BR>
companion subject to history, not anthropology.<BR>
<BR>
>else, it would provide some archaeological expeditions with a rationale and<BR>
>goal *other* than the done-to-death Ancients (cf. the Beltstrike module).<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Well, I'm fairly certain that the archaeology of the Long Night won't be<BR>
covered by existing AAB records.<BR>
<BR>
Matt<BR>
<BR>
Matthew Bond<BR>
mgb@akira.swinternet.co.uk<BR>
www.akira.swinternet.co.uk/strom.html<BR>
- --------------------------------------------------------------<BR>
"To strike a man who insults you is one thing...<BR>
...To run him through with a sword is quite another!"<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 23:25:42 -0500<BR>
From: "Keven R. Pittsinger" <jamstar@accesstoledo.com><BR>
Subject: [OT] Software Request<BR>
<BR>
Anybody happen to have a copy of the old Qedit 2.15 zipfile laying around the <BR>
house someplace?  It's an old DOS editor.  I could use a copy of it if you <BR>
do...<BR>
<BR>
Keven<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
tc++ tm+ tn+ t4- to ru++ ge+ 3i c+ jt au st- ls pi+ ta+ he+ so- vi zh sy<BR>
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                                                     Science-Fiction Adventure<BR>
                                                     In Reavers' Deep<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 22:51:37 -0500<BR>
From: "Jory Earl" <j-man@iname.com><BR>
Subject: Re: [OT] Software Request<BR>
<BR>
Hey there Kevin, imagine this : in this day of Win95, I STILL use Qedit..:)<BR>
Email me and I'll zip it right up for you.<BR>
___________________________________________________________<BR>
 J-Man<BR>
 ICQ# 2843475<BR>
 New Hampshire - U.S.A.<BR>
 Email : j-man@iname.com<BR>
 Home Page : http://www.geocities.com/~jman037/<BR>
___________________________________________________________<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 14:40:17 +1100<BR>
From: "Robert O'Connor" <robocon@ozemail.com.au><BR>
Subject: Re : Food Sources for Space Colonies<BR>
<BR>
The day of the 'faux-flesh' vat may be upon us very soon.<BR>
Three Dutch inventors last week patented a technique<BR>
where animal cells are cultivated on a collagen matrix.<BR>
    The technique apparently works with cells from cattle,<BR>
sheep, chickens, oysters, crabs and shrimp.<BR>
<BR>
Ian Ferguson posted some numbers on biomass productivity in various<BR>
biomes back in the days of the Xenobiology 101 thread (which I would<BR>
repost - but they are on another computer).<BR>
    These would represent ballpark figures as to how much edible<BR>
biomass could be obtainable from aquaculture and conventional soil based<BR>
methods.<BR>
<BR>
Food sources that haven't yet been mentioned (as of digest #1323)<BR>
include fungi and yeasts.<BR>
Single-cell protein (bacteria or yeast grown on sewage, crude oil or<BR>
some similar substrate) is another option for our space farmers.<BR>
    Mushrooms, etc. don't need much room to cultivate.<BR>
<BR>
Robert O'Connor<BR>
Medico, Gamer<BR>
- -----------------<BR>
Prediction of Doom : 'Population will grow faster than food supply.'<BR>
Human Response : 'Scientists realise you can call just about anything<BR>
a "meat patty".'<BR>
<BR>
- - Scott Adams, 'The Dilbert Future'<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 19:50:40 -0800<BR>
From: shudson@lightspeed.bc.ca (Steven Hudson)<BR>
Subject: Re: Wild Blue Claims<BR>
<BR>
>From: Sethkimmel@aol.com<BR>
>Subject: Re: Wild Blue Claims<BR>
...<BR>
>I HATE the whole social history movement. While I think it's very important <BR>
>to study the "little man/woman" to get the whole picture of history, I reject <BR>
>the notion that one shouldn't study the movers and shakers (i.e., the rulers, <BR>
>leaders, etc.). This is just 1960s backlash against the "establishment". The <BR>
>problem with social history, is that until democracy, the little man/woman <BR>
>didn't DO a whole hell of a lot. It's more interesting to study the leaders.<BR>
<BR>
  The "little man" was what made up the armies and navies to which the Great<BR>
occasionally referred; one nice thing about studying things from below is<BR>
that (at least before the late modern era) little things come out like "gee,<BR>
what so-and-so wrote in their autobiography (/autohagiography) is basically<BR>
flat out impossible once we examine it, so maybe we can start to figure out<BR>
what really happened".<BR>
<BR>
        Steven Hudson<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 21:55:06 -0600<BR>
From: "Chad Russell" <mindbreaker@unforgettable.com><BR>
Subject: Academic Adventure Seeds<BR>
<BR>
Eris Reddoch wrote:<BR>
<BR>
>       He doesn't even *know* that the area where the library may be is<BR>
>       dominated by a humophobic (it *should* be called homophobic,<BR>
>       but that has taken on another meaning) Vargr culture.<BR>
<BR>
Maybe we want to use the term "anthrophobic" for this case?<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Just a thought...<BR>
- -Chad<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 23:07:37 -0500<BR>
From: "Terry Carlino" <carlino@home.com><BR>
Subject: Re: ignorance of the law and secret laws<BR>
<BR>
>Through history, 'guilty until proven innocent' is much more common than<BR>
the >reverse. A society could extend this in an extreme way: all citizens<BR>
are assumed to >have committed some crime that the government has not yet<BR>
learned of. Thus, they can >be detained and/or searched at the whim of the<BR>
police as the person is obviously >guilty of some criminal act. Of course,<BR>
those in the government would, for the most<BR>
>part, have to be assumed 'guiltless' (or at least as one rose in the<BR>
>heirarchy, one proved oneself less guilty).<BR>
<BR>
>Combine this with secret laws at your own risk ...<BR>
<BR>
>><BR>
>>A related issue is highlighted by the following<BR>
>>extremes:<BR>
>><BR>
>>Everything not prohibited is allowed.<BR>
>>Everything not allowed is prohibited.<BR>
>>Everything not prohitibed is mandatory, and everything<BR>
>>not mandatory is prohibited.<BR>
><BR>
>Which extreme more closely describes the society in<BR>
>question?<BR>
<BR>
What about different sets of laws for citizens and non-citizens. In the U.S.<BR>
(barring certain special rules applied under immigration laws) anyone within<BR>
the country is subject to the same laws, (wealth level notwithstanding). A<BR>
rich person may be able to afford a better lawyer or get more differential<BR>
treatment from the police, but at its legal basis laws are equally applied<BR>
to citizens and aliens (non-citizens).<BR>
<BR>
This is not necessarily a requirement. The Romans had one set of laws for<BR>
citizens and another for non-citizens. Is this the case in the Imperium? Do<BR>
some laws only apply to the nobility, in both a negative and a positive<BR>
sense?<BR>
<BR>
"I'm sorry Your Grace. As you know, by conspiring with your assistant to<BR>
steal from the Emperor, you are guilty of Treason against the Iridium<BR>
Throne. I daresay the Executioner will be glad to see you. ...Doyle book the<BR>
assistant. He'll get at least 5 years for Grand Theft."<BR>
<BR>
Terry C<BR>
<BR>
All that is Gold does not glitter<BR>
Not all who travel are lost<BR>
<BR>
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